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Post by sibodkent on Aug 17, 2011 8:20:53 GMT
Here we go again:
Govex are once again ramping up the fares at above inflation rates, justifying this by crying "Waah, the government told us to!".
Actually, they were given the OPTION of doing so - and they dont have to increase all lines at all. They are allowed to offset costs with rises on other lines, granted.
They are merely hiding behind government policy rather than doing the right thing by customers.
What further investment can we expect- we've seen the HS1 line come into play, but they are already charging £1000s extra for it's use to those that use it!
What about everyone else that's seen services dropped and slowed down?
Conveniently ingored as far as the government are concerned.
I probably cant afford to use HS1 after this next round of increases, so come September 2012 I'll be back to the slow lane.
In fact, I wont be able to use it for much of next summer either as it'll be full of Olympic spectators so I wont even get a full years travel out of this years season ticket!
Rant mode off!
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Post by paolo on Aug 17, 2011 19:39:11 GMT
Anyone know what the increase will actually be on SE?
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Post by chapelwood on Aug 17, 2011 21:17:21 GMT
Anyone know what the increase will actually be on SE? 8%, though this is an average. Southeastern will be allowed to increase regulated fares (e.g. seasons) from some stations by more than this, as long as fares from other stations are increased by less. Chapelwood |
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Post by busman on Aug 18, 2011 7:44:47 GMT
I quite agree sibodkent with your comments Fleeced again.
The bring the same old augments out how the money has been given HS1 and other improvements!!! And we going to get additional rolling stock, no one seems to know when and what this will be. Oh I forgot they have all so giving the stations a lick of paint.
They seem to forget that most of in the line down to the coast via Medway towns see very little improvement on journey times on HS1 which take most users to part of London they don’t want to go to.
Journey times have got slower and there is less choice on the classic routes.
Maintenance seems to becoming a bigger issues with AC not working I would say on 70% of the commutes I make ending up at the end like I just been through a tropical rain forest downpour, several times a week trains short formed with more overcrowding.
I think its getting to the stage where a lot of people just will not be able to afford the cost of going to work by train so I can see car usage increase and worse still people having to give up working in London, probable costing the government more in tax credits and benefits than they receive from train companies because of the lower wages locally and lack of equivalent jobs.
Regarding the Olympics again we just treated with a lot of contempt by those in power, by the sounds of it we going to placed in the queue behind everyone going to the games, never mind going to work and earning a wage. And if you going to Victoria and trying to go to you workplace north of Hyde park corner tough luck seems to the answer, I think I book my Holiday for then or work from home.
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Post by Richard Trevithick on Aug 21, 2011 10:51:23 GMT
In fact, I wont be able to use it for much of next summer either as it'll be full of Olympic spectators so I wont even get a full years travel out of this years season ticket! I really do believe the Olympics will be over-rated with regards to the impact it will have on the daily commute. There will indeed be a few extra people crossing the ferry from Europe and taking the slow train up (as well as a few extra on HS1), plus a few people from Kent. However, most people will likely be staying in over-priced hotels and privately rented accomodation in the London area. Here is an absolute worst case scenario calculation based on a back of cigarette paper maths on the assumption that ALL of these people WILL travel by train and WON'T try to lodge locally: - 8 million Olympics tickets sold = average 571,000 extra commuters/day.
- 10 main TOCs head into London, so that's an extra 57,100 average for each one.
- According to www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/about-us/company-information/ , SET carries 400,000 per day. The additional 57,100 passengers equates to a 14.3% rise in passenger numbers.
- Most events start late morning to early afternoon, very few events start between 8am-10am. This means the impact on the commute will be negligible.
- Quite a few events start early evening, so they will be travelling against the flow. The negative impact will actually be on LUL, DLR & C2C who directly serve most Olympic venues.
As with the millenium bug a dozen years earlier, I predict that the media and other organisations are making this out to be more of a problem than it really will be. I believe that worst case, less than a half-dozen regular commuters on each train won't be able to get their usual seat. And we going to get additional rolling stock, no one seems to know when and what this will be. My insiders have told me that the 376 suburban trains are to be fitted with a new middle coach, making them a total of 6 instead of 5 coaches in length. Apparently this new coach will also come with a toilet. Nothing has been confirmed, but the strongest rumours suggest the modifications will begin to take place towards the end of this year and the beginning of next. But definitely in time for the Olympics. RT |
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Post by chapelwood on Aug 21, 2011 14:05:35 GMT
My insiders have told me that the 376 suburban trains are to be fitted with a new middle coach, making them a total of 6 instead of 5 coaches in length. Apparently this new coach will also come with a toilet. Nothing has been confirmed, but the strongest rumours suggest the modifications will begin to take place towards the end of this year and the beginning of next. But definitely in time for the Olympics. RT Additional coaches have not been ordered yet, and even if they were ordered now, it is unlikely that they could be in service before about the end of 2013. Chapelwood |
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Post by stumpyuk on Aug 26, 2011 16:51:25 GMT
And as well as the fleecing, they have already started obvious padding of the HS services to Dover (im pointing at you Folkestone West) - journey times seem to be increasing with fares. And considering its the only viable option now, as the "classic" services have been rendered unusable by extra stops and longer journeys, I am rather annoyed at the ridiculous hikes we are seeing.
If the fares must increase by 8% then I would like to see the journey time fall by 8%
And we only get 1 train per hour now, so although the concept of HS is good, the delivery has not been as was promised..
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Post by paolo on Aug 27, 2011 7:35:34 GMT
I like their reply to such a huge increase (again!), "it's needed for extra investment"
What extra investment, the trains are as dirty as ever, the toilets are a disgrace, when they are working and as for the air con being on, forget it!
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